DQ I.II Beta VII [Archive]

ChrisRPG

07-01-2002, 08:36 PM

Zeke was that in the last patch you tested? I do know one thing, I fix something and others go bad. Thats when its usually time to say enough, and release it the way it is. And let someone else fix the rest if they wanted to. Because all I am accomplishing is going in circles. I bit off way more than I can chew. Other people wanting to take up hacking... learn from my mistakes. If a game is not translated yet, there is a really good reason. http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Junts

07-01-2002, 08:38 PM

I'll have to go purposely die, I tend to try to avoid that most of the time ;)

I'm sort of trying to play the game the way someone who didn't know it would - waiting for people to tell me about stuff before I get it - so that I make sure that I find and talk to everyone I can, cause I know if I just get stuff, I'll start neglecting random npcs, and I already found that one with the freeze bug in his dialogue.

Course, the other side of that is that my levels are a bit higher than normal (that and I savestate to make sure I kill every metal slime I find http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif), so I dont die ;)

Junts

07-01-2002, 10:11 PM

Anyone else notice the fun you create if you try to use a Magic Acorn on the Hero in DQ2?

It picks a random number for the MP increase, but you don't lose the acorn and the character doesn't actually get any MP, but I tell ya, I freaked out when I saw 'gained 256 MP' when I accidently used it on him. http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

brightman

07-01-2002, 10:43 PM

Try to compile all these bugs into one nice text file and send them to me please http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Thats what I mean when I said one bug gets squished and another one pops out... This patch addressed the previous bugs but correcting those bugs means new ones will pop out. Oh well.

Chris will wait until everyone finish the game and report everything, then he'll start debugging it, so hopefully the bug squishing will turn out as effective as the one earlier one before the current stage of beta. Thats why it'd be nice if you can make a list.

Zeke_D

07-01-2002, 11:18 PM

Thats why i stopped doing asm work and other rom hacking, i was tired of beating my head against a wall...

ChrisRPG

07-02-2002, 12:19 AM

As I told brightman, I will wait for the reports from the last 2 beta testers who finish the game. Then I will fix everything at once. Then I will release it without anymore testing. If there are small errors oh well someone else can do a patch. I will not be changing the dq2 intro speed. I have spent days on end for 8-14 hours a day on it. I will not be hacking the ending credits. I could if I wanted to, but its gonna be messy and may cause even more bugs and errors due to the way pointers are used for them. I will however fix the things reported in the next few days. Then I will release it as version 1.0 or .99 or something like that. And it will remain that way. Any small errors will just have to stay. And a little note will be placed in the readme about the snes9x crashing system thing. I have neither the will or patience to deal with any of these things anymore. I have done nothing but dq12 for over a year. On a daily basis I spend at least half my day hacking this game. And I cant do it anymore. Because it is just a hobby after all. And when it gets to the point that the hobby is no longer enjoyable its time to stop no matter what. So I am at that place and have been getting there for a while. I hope everyone can respect my decisions. Like this I hope to release very soon. Zeke I sent you a patch with the startup screen. Can you see if it freezes on the real snes? Because it works fine in snes9x windows, snes9xdos, zsnes windows. But frezzes in zsnes dos. If so, I dont have the patience for trying to figure out why it works in some emulators and not others. So we wont have a startup screen either. Then all the names can be mentioned in the readme. And that will have to do. Thanks to all for your time and sacrifice of playing a not so great patch just to help make it better. I appreciate it.

Junts

07-02-2002, 12:37 AM

Okay, three comments:

A: Since you guys are doing your final debug, now, do you want me to start keeping track of and reporting text/grammar bugs? I've noticed 6-7 of them so far but I haven't paid attention because Brightman told me not to.

B: I'm pretty much convinced that the snes9x crash bug had nothing to do with the rom or the patch, because I've had 0 troubles with it, beyond the time I crashed my computer by running too many things at once, and I've done that several times running other roms, so let that worry be removed.

C: Even with the 2 medium-level bugs and several text bugs I've found, this thing has been great so far, and, after the last fix, it should be better than about 75-80% of the translations I've seen/played on the net, so I don't think you have much to hang your heads about.

Zeke_D

07-02-2002, 12:48 AM

i went into detail in the email i sent you.

I had mixed results playing it on the SMC.

ChrisRPG

07-02-2002, 12:51 AM

Yes you can include the grammar and other errors. If they are already reported we can just ignore it. Thanks. At least the english can be fixed quite easily.

Junts

07-02-2002, 12:59 AM

Alright, after I finish I'll run through the game to where I am now (Just after Lianport) and then I'll have a full list, so I don't miss the ones I found before.

I'll also run through DQ1, because I found one noticable bug there just playing with it, I'll try to be done with all of it by Wednesday, maybe tomarrow if things are faster than I thought.

Does that work for you guys, or do you want me to cheat and speed it up?

Junts

07-02-2002, 01:03 AM

Oh, someone really needs to help me with this one confusing translation.

This game has two Cloaks of Wind.

There's the one in the tower that you use to pass the Dragon's Horn, and the translation is referring to the item that you make with the Dew's Yarn and Magic Loom as the Cloak of Wind, also (DW lore refers to these as the Water Flying Clothes).  I haven't yet gotten the yarn and loom to make the item, but everyone who's telling me about it is calling it the cloak of wind..which would be incredibly confusing to anyone who doesn't already know the game, since you have a cloak of wind (from the tower) already.  I'm going to guess that the item itself has been changed to the DW lore since my names seem to be all DW versions, but the dialogue text from people in town still says 'Cloak of Wind'.  I'll try to get screenshots, but I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this.

brightman

07-02-2002, 07:31 AM

Yeah I know about this, but I still can't find the other Cloak of Wind (the Dragon Horn one), are you sure thats called the Cloak of Wind too?

Zeke_D

07-02-2002, 11:48 AM

well, I was called into work unexpectedly, so i can hammer through dq2. any specific bugs i should look for?

--edit--
Chris, I just tested beta7 with the startup screen on zsnes dos 1.337 and it workes just fine...

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brightman

07-02-2002, 11:59 AM

Yeah, I tried the startup on DOS too. It worked.

Edit: Nmind, on 1.35 the screen works but you can't seem to be able to press start on the DQ1/DQ2 selection screen.

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Zeke_D

07-02-2002, 12:24 PM

well in 1.337 DOS it worked 3 out of 3 times. which leads me to believe that it is a problem with the new version of zsnes.

--edit--
here is the cloak of wind:

http://www.mtgcraft.com/yavapai/dquest/tower.gif

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brightman

07-02-2002, 12:46 PM

Yup, ok, there are two cloak of the winds. I'll try to fix that.

ChrisRPG

07-02-2002, 01:03 PM

Ok bright we just have to place another little note in the readme about using zsnes dos 1.337 instead of 1.35 or whatever the new one is. This makes me a little happier because some of my code actually worked. It wont be so bad not hacking the ending credits now. I wish I had a snes and a copier to test my things. oh well. Thnks Zeke_D. http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Zeke_D

07-02-2002, 01:07 PM

And some more good news, I got more promising results on my SMC. I didn't have as much trouble playing the game directly from the disk, instead of writing to the cartridge.

Junts

07-02-2002, 01:31 PM

I did finally pick up the yarn and the loom and make the Water Flying Clothes and that is what the object itself is called, but the dialogue still says 'Cloak of Wind', including the fellow who makes it for you.

Changing to the DW style names fixed the actual item name, I imagine.

I have to do some shopping (food, y'know) and stuff today, but I'll try and get cracking on finishing DQ2 this evening (I've got to do the Tower of the Moon now).

I'll probably be able to finish it tonight if I stay up late, if not that, then tomarrow morning.

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Junts

07-02-2002, 01:36 PM

Oh, two other things to mention, maybe Zeke can test these since his Prince and Princess are named differently than mine.

The few times in the game that the other party members say things (when the Prince is sick in Beran, when you take the Princess to see the King of Midenhall the first time), the names are reversed - the Prince says the Princess's lines to the King, and the Princess says the Prince's lines when he's telling you to leave him to die.

I imagine Zeke will find the same thing with his group.

brightman

07-02-2002, 01:54 PM

Might be wrong pointers in the script. Can you guys email all occasions of this to me?

BTW I fixed the Water Flying Clothes thing in the script. I think it should be fine when Chris insert it back.

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ChrisRPG

07-02-2002, 02:10 PM

Please junts if you can get a save state to brightman with the names being switched. The game uses many routines to call character names, which is why it took so long to fix. I thought I found all the programming for names, but it looks like I might not have. But it might be just a pointer thatneed to be fixed. I hope anyways.

Junts

07-02-2002, 04:53 PM

I'll do what I can - I think I'm going to have to get to the instances I can find when I play through to check for the text bugs in the first 1/4 the game that I didnt write down before, because each of these events only seems to happen once and I accidently saved over the state I had before I did them.

That's no biggie though because I know how to get to each pretty easily.

Oh, and one caution with the Cloak of the Winds thing - there are a couple times when people talk to you about the -real- cloak of the winds, and I hope those didn't accidently get changed to flying water clothes, too.

I have a savestate for one of the two name switches, I'll email it to Brightman with a screenshot.

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Zeke_D

07-02-2002, 05:09 PM

ok i have played all the way through dq12 beta7 with the startup screen and only encounteded 2 bugs not already reported.

brightman

07-02-2002, 07:25 PM

Thats it? Great! I'll need Chris to fix these though, these are pointer errors that I have no idea how to fix.

ChrisRPG

07-02-2002, 08:36 PM

Already fixed once before. So theyll be very easy to fix, I even remember where they are in my files. Nice... http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Zeke_D

07-02-2002, 09:23 PM

Well, I am glad I can report easy bugs http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Junts

07-02-2002, 09:30 PM

I just have to polish off the cave to Rhone and Hargon's castle, then I'll run quick through the first part of the game and check for text bugs I didn't record, and I'm gonna finish DQ1 because I'm half-done with it just screwing around.

I should be able to finish tomarrow, though I dunno how much more I'll do tonight, since I'm gonna spend some time on the phone with my girlfriend, she's out of town at the moment. http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

brightman

07-03-2002, 07:55 AM

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (Junts @ July 02 2002,22:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just have to polish off the cave to Rhone and Hargon's castle, then I'll run quick through the first part of the game and check for text bugs I didn't record, and I'm gonna finish DQ1 because I'm half-done with it just screwing around.

I should be able to finish tomarrow, though I dunno how much more I'll do tonight, since I'm gonna spend some time on the phone with my girlfriend, she's out of town at the moment. http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif[/b][/quote]
Thats understandable ;)

BTW, the bug smacking in the DW versions going great... I even made a lot of the dialogue in DW1 sound better, but I keep encountering problems in the DQ version... Major problems. Hopefully this can be fixed soon...

Junts

07-03-2002, 12:01 PM

I finished DQ1 and talked to everyone in every town and ran through the ending, so I think I've found all there is to find there.

I still have to re-finish DQ2 and talk to everyone there - I found that stupid nun with her infinate repeating text bug in the Monolith of Rhone after I finished and I hadn't saved state after killing Malroth, so I didn't feel like doing it again.

One concern, however.

I managed to find a Revival Orb (This was called the Dragon's Potion in the NES DW version of the game), which allows you to get exp info/save anywhere (they drop from metal babbles).

The text was somewhat garbled, missing spaces (Kain needs 23432experience..) and there were several fragments of dialogue attached to the end, and I don't know if they were just confusing as #### or if they were fragments from elsewhere because I've never managed to find one of these before.

I think someone should look into the dialogue strings that get called when you use the item.

I might also suggest another name, because Revival Orb doesn't really suggest anything in regards to what it actually does.

Junts

07-03-2002, 02:01 PM

One more thing causing me concern.

When a DQ1 char gets to lv 30 (the max level), the King no longer tells you your exp to level, he says 'You're surely strong enough to defeat the Dragonlord now.'

I also found that after he said this, he -no longer offered to save the game-. *Is this the way it's supposed to be? it seems kinda odd to me, that you can't save the game if you max your level.

I'm gonna see if I can transfer my savestate to DQ1Jap and see if it does the same thing.

Okay, I did, and while the transfer state garbled alot of command and object names, the dialogue was all still in pure Japanese when I played it on the Jap rom (naturally), and the King did offer to save my game (and I know that what he said before that in Jap was essentially "You're strong enough, go kill him now."

So that's a pretty serious bug, not being able to save if you hit level 30.

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brightman

07-04-2002, 09:11 AM

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (Junts @ July 03 2002,15:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">One more thing causing me concern.

When a DQ1 char gets to lv 30 (the max level), the King no longer tells you your exp to level, he says 'You're surely strong enough to defeat the Dragonlord now.'

I also found that after he said this, he -no longer offered to save the game-. *Is this the way it's supposed to be? it seems kinda odd to me, that you can't save the game if you max your level.

I'm gonna see if I can transfer my savestate to DQ1Jap and see if it does the same thing.

Okay, I did, and while the transfer state garbled alot of command and object names, the dialogue was all still in pure Japanese when I played it on the Jap rom (naturally), and the King did offer to save my game (and I know that what he said before that in Jap was essentially "You're strong enough, go kill him now."

So that's a pretty serious bug, not being able to save if you hit level 30.[/b][/quote]
Yup. Actually before he said "You need 0 experience" which is wrong. But I guess fixing this wrong dialogue took out the save dialogue.

ChrisRPG

07-04-2002, 12:30 PM

I have had more problems than you can count on your hands and your feet with this particular section of dialogue. The saving and dying dialogue is all mixed up together with relative pointers, substrings, and other types of pointers. I say just have the king say one thing. "I will never tell you how much you need to go up a level, and you can never save the game. Use save states. Oh, and if you died - try better." *http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif *That would solve the whole thing. This game sucks with its text systems, and pointers. Because when you fix one pointer it messes up another pointer. Ill try to fix that over 30 level saving thing...

brightman

07-04-2002, 01:25 PM

That would make some nice last resort  http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Junts

07-04-2002, 01:42 PM

It'd be nice if you could, I know I use states alot but I try to use regular saves when I switch between the two games so that if I accidently save state into the slot I used playing DQ2 when Im playing DQ1, I dont lose everything I did.

ChrisRPG

07-04-2002, 01:58 PM

I was just jokin'.  http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif It will be fixed. I was being sarcastic. I just have to find which pointer it is.

brightman

07-04-2002, 02:02 PM

<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (Junts @ July 04 2002,14:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It'd be nice if you could, I know I use states alot but I try to use regular saves when I switch between the two games so that if I accidently save state into the slot I used playing DQ2 when Im playing DQ1, I dont lose everything I did.[/b][/quote]
Simple solution, make a copy of the rom, call one "Dragon Quest 1" and one "Dragon Quest 2", and play each game in each one so you'll never mess up the saves again. http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Plus you get a full 8 saveslots for each game.

ChrisRPG

07-04-2002, 03:20 PM

If anyone has a save state of being at level 30 or more, please send it to me or brightman. Or else I will have to take the time out to actually get them to level 30 or higher. I could cheat but a save would be much easier for me. I have other stuff to work on too. I fixed alot of stuff, so did brightman, and we will probably have the split dq/dw patches ready by monday.

this is for dq1 by the way.

Junts

07-04-2002, 04:05 PM

I have one but its snes9x and Brightman keeps telling him not to send him snes9x states..but if you want me to send it anyway, or you want to send me a patch version that you think fixed it, I can give it a try.

brightman

07-04-2002, 08:28 PM

Yeah, send it to me. I just don't need Snes9x saves for dialogue bugs like grammar mistakes and formatting stuff. But for major bugs like these, yup.

ChrisRPG

07-05-2002, 02:22 AM

I think i fixed it already. I hpe anyways. ill see when I get the save.

Junts

07-05-2002, 12:50 PM

I sent Brightman the state yesterday.

ChrisRPG

07-05-2002, 03:47 PM

Yep I got the state, and I will be checking it a littler later on. I havent had any time today. Real life issues needed to be taken care of today.

ChrisRPG

07-05-2002, 04:01 PM

I just checked it, and its working now. YAY! Actually it was a bad control code that I put in by mistake. I put in the end of section code, instead of end of paragraph. So I didnt even need to look for a pointer. Thanks junts for finding that and the save state. http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Junts

07-05-2002, 04:09 PM

Not a problem http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Have you or Brightman looked at the text you get when you use the Revival Orb?

I couldn't figure out if it was badly translated, a fragment from some other dialogue, or if it was supposed to be Rubiss or Erdrick talking to me, or something..I seem to recall a fragment of very similar dialogue in the ending someplace, but I couldn't find it when I went back through it.

ChrisRPG

07-05-2002, 04:42 PM

That will be the dragons potion in dw style patch like you mentioned. And It is actually descendants orb in the translation and will be so in the dq version. It is all fixed. I forgot to put in a end of dialogue control code, and that was letting it go to the next area of text which was the rubiss text. But I have gone through the whole text(and ficed all the other things in it), and it is basically supposed to let you save anywhere(So the text is very similar to a kings or priests). And it is erdricks voice you hear. Doesnt look like we have much more to fix. http://www.emuxhaven.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif